Rockbund Art Museum 上海外滩美术馆

RAM Conversation: Tobias Rehberger: If you don’t use your eyes to see, you will use them to cry--Artist & Curators’ Talk RAM 对谈:“托比亚斯·雷贝格:如果你的眼睛不用来看,就会用来哭”——艺术家与策展人对谈

Event Information

Date: 23 March 2019
Time: 08:00 10:00
Venue: Rockbund Art Museum
Speaker: Tobias Rehberger, Larys Frogier, Billy Tang, Diao Wei
Language: English with Chinese interpretation


日期: 2019年 3月 23日
时间: 08:00 10:00
场馆: 上海外滩美术馆
主讲人: 托比亚斯•雷贝格、拉瑞斯·弗洛乔、曾明俊、刁唯
语言: 英文,中文翻译

About the Conversation 关于活动

Tobias Rehberger’s multifaceted work has been instrumental to expanding the possibilities of sculpture, spanning a diverse range of fields that include design, architecture, and conceptual art. The exhibition looks to showcase newly commissioned works and site-specific installations created especially for the Rockbund Art Museum. Through an array of visually confounding objects and environments, Rehberger continues to pioneer different production techniques and forms of social intervention that explore how we interact with space and perceive the connection between everyday life and art.

The Rockbund Art Museum is pleased to invite the artist Tobias Rehberger, together with the curators Larys Frogier and Billy Tang as well as Diao Wei, founder of Blackbird, who has collaborated with them profoundly on the butcher shop If you don’t use your eyes to see, you will use them to cry and the bar Forbidden in Heaven, Useless in Hell (El Redomon version) to an open conversation on the first public opening day. Inviting the public to know more behind the scene, they will share more about the curatorial conception, review Tobias Rehberger’s art practice and discuss how his oeuvres challenge or move the role of a museum and reinvent connections with the audience from different angles.



About the Speakers 关于讲者

Tobias Rehberger is an artist whose work is characterized by transformation, serendipity, collaboration and shared experience. His work in large-scale often takes the form of visually-rich environments that are sites for social encounter, such as his Was du liebst bringt dich auch zum weinen (2009), which won the Golden Lion for the 53rd Venice Biennale, his recreation of Frankfurt’s Bar Oppenheimer in New York (2013), or his procession of sculptures 24 Stops between the Beyeler Foundation and Vitra Campus near Basel (2015-2016). When working with self-contained sculpture, Rehberger often looks to the viewer, friends and other collaborators to complete or contribute to the work. He invited fellow artists he had portrayed as vases to present him with a bouquet of flowers, completing each vase portrait, he asked assistants to initiate sculptural formations in velcro for his Infection series (2007 - ongoing) and he worked with craftsmen in Cameroon and Thailand to make serendipitous copies of furniture and cars. Working across diverse scales and an array of media, Rehberger is fascinated by the boundless possibilities of object and environment. As Rehberger once described, “I am very interested in this phenomenon that …the object is not only interested in its own existence. It’s a kind of tool helping the existence of something else”

Selected solo exhibitions and projects for the artist include If you don’t use your eyes to see, you will use them to cry, Rockbund Art Museum, Shanghai (2019); Yourself is sometimes a place to call your own, The Museum of Contemporary Art, Busan (2018); 24 Stops, Fondation Beyeler, Basel (2016); Home and Away and Outside, Schirn Kunsthalle, Frankfurt (2014); Tobias Rehberger: Wrap it up, MACRO Museum, Rome (2014); Dazzle Ship London, River Thames, London (2012); When I See the Other Side of Heaven, It Is Just as Blue (commission), The Leeum Samsung Museum of Art, Seoul (2012); Nest (commission), Bloomberg SPACE, London (2012); Tobias Rehberger, MAXXI, Rome (2010); The Chicken-and-Egg-No-Problem Wall-Painting, Stedelijk Museum, Amsterdam (2008); On (2008); On Otto, Fondazione Prada, Milan (2007); Get a New Liver, Tate Liverpool (2006); Private Matters, Whitechapel Gallery, London (2004); Night Shift, Palais de Tokyo, Paris (2002) and The Sun from Above, Museum of Contemporary Art, Chicago (2000). Tobias Rehberger lives and works in Frankfurt, Germany.

Larys Frogier is the Director of the Rockbund Art Museum (RAM) in Shanghai. Curator, critic and art historian, he is involved in artistic and social challenges in post-global contexts where ongoing social, economical, cultural transformations demand new ways of interrelations, citizenship and reinvented creativity.

He curated numerous exhibitions and published extensive essays on the works of international artists: Adel Abdessemed, Nan Goldin, Felix Gonzalez-Torres, Paola Pivi, Ugo Rondinone, Wang Du, Yang Jiechang.

Previously the Director of the contemporary art centre La Criée in Rennes (France), he curated long-term projects (symposiums, residencies, exhibitions, publications) which question the links and ruptures between broadening transcontinental areas. Chair of the HUGO BOSS ASIA ART jury since 2013 at the Rockbund Art Museum, he is conceiving this new award, exhibition and research program as an evolving platform to promote emerging artists and to question Asia as a construction to investigate rather than a monolithic area or fixed identities.

Larys Frogier taught art theory, history of art and curatorial studies at the University of Rennes, while he was also researcher at the École des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales (EHESS) and at the Archives for Art Criticism.

Diao Wei, founder of Blackbird, Bar No.3, Table Black, Bar Black, Oha Eatery and Oha Café, and designer of Oha Shanghai - Office of Heuristic Architecture. She is in collaboration with Tobias Rehberger to set up and manage the butcher shop and a pub in RAM, as part of Tobias’ exhibition If you don’t use your eyes to see, you will use them to cry. She went to the Art Institute of Chicago to study art, architecture and design, attended the Domus Academy for interior design and environment art, and graduated from University of Wales with a master’s degree in arts.


托比亚斯·雷贝格的个人展览及艺术计划包括上海外滩美术馆《如果你的眼睛不用来看,就会用来哭》(2019年)、釜山当代艺术博物馆《Yourself is sometimes a place to call your own》(2018年)、巴塞尔贝尔勒基金会美术馆《24 站》(2016年)、法兰克福席恩美术馆《Home and Away and Outside》(2014年)、罗马当代艺术博物馆《Wrap it up》(2014年)、伦敦泰晤士河上的《Dazzle Ship London》(2012年)、首尔三星美术馆委托创作《When I See the Other Side of Heaven, It Is Just as Blue》(2012年)、伦敦彭博艺术空间委托创作《Nest》(2012年)、罗马国立当代艺术博物馆同名个展《托比亚斯·雷贝格》、阿姆斯特丹市立博物馆个展《The Chicken-and-Egg-No-Problem Wall-Painting》(2008年)、米兰普拉达基金会美术馆展览《On Otto》(2007年)、泰特利物浦美术馆《Get a New Liver》(2006年)、伦敦白教堂画廊《Private Matters》(2004年)、巴黎东京宫《Night Shift》(2002年)和芝加哥当代艺术博物馆《The Sun from Above》(2000年)。托比亚斯·雷贝格目前居住工作于德国法兰克福。



他曾担任法国雷恩市La Criée当代艺术中心总监,策划过长期的研讨会、驻地、展览与出版物项目,不断挑战广泛的全球地域之间的联结与断裂。作为2013年首届HUGO BOSS亚洲艺术大奖的评委会主席,他将该项目构想为一个全新的奖项、一场展览与一系列研究项目,作为一个持续演变的平台,推广新锐艺术家,将亚洲作为一个持续的构建和亟待调研的问题而非一个单一的地区和固定的身份。



刁唯,Blackbird, Bar No.3, Table Black, Bar Black, Oha Eatery, Oha Café创始人,Oha Shanghai知觉建筑工作室设计师,上海外滩美术馆“托比亚斯·雷贝格:如果你的眼睛不用来看,就会用来哭”展览肉铺、酒吧合作人。曾就读芝加哥艺术学院艺术和建筑设计专业,多莫斯设计学院室内与环艺设计,和威尔士大学文学艺术专业,获得硕士学位。

About the Speakers 关于讲者

Billy Tang is Senior Curator of the Rockbund Art Museum (RAM) in Shanghai. He joined the museum in Spring 2018. His previous projects have helped to introduce moving-image artists to new audiences in Mainland China, commissioning large-scale works of young artists, and curating projects that look to disrupt the architectural function and experience of the exhibition space. Other projects involve curating daily interventions that explore how art appears or is consumed by visitors—most recently at a restaurant in London. He has worked collaboratively with curators and writers to realize exhibitions of works by among others, Wang Bing, Liu Chuang, Lav Diaz, Li Jinghu, Wong Ping, Nabuqi, Yao Qingmei, Song Ta, and Trevor Yeung.

谢丰嵘为上海外滩美术馆资深策展人。2009年加入上海外滩美术馆进行筹备开馆工作,同时与美术馆团队建立各项制度;2013年参与规划首届HUGO BOSS亚洲新锐艺术家大奖。随着美术馆在中国的发展与崛起,谢丰嵘关注机构角色的演变及自我批判,并探索艺术与观众之间关系及重新被定义的可能性,近期专注以表演作为方法,进行一系列的项目与讲座策划;同时积极促进跨文化、地区的对话,探索图像与历史生成机制。近年策划的项目包括:“行将消退——作品来自山德雷托·雷·雷包登戈收藏”(与拉瑞斯·弗洛乔共同策划,2018年,上海)、“告诉我一个故事:地方性与叙事”(与郑慧华共同策划,2018年,都灵山德雷托基金会)及“RAM HIGHLIGHT 2018:谁的身体?”(2018年,上海)